LCF "Fascination Thread"- The Red-Headed Stepchild of the Kimkins Investigation?

The idea that the LCF- fascination thread can at times become a tad, unruly or snarky is not a new theory. If the members who participated were told as much that probably would say....Yes, that is true so those who find it not to their taste, should in their own best interest, refrain from reading the thread. But most of the time the thread participates are called "haters", "lynch mob", or it is implied that they are just there out of boredom; trying to find something to do while waiting for news on the legal aspect of things. This belittles every effort that has been in the past, currently and even future actions by those so called 'haters'. That is where the defense mechanisms kick in and the members then feel compelled to defend all prior work on the case.
This scenario has happened more times then I care to remember, because quite frankly, it gets old. I have grown weary of defending the hard work that I know everyone is doing. Well, at least the ones that post there frequently. I also know there are groups that do work outside of LCF as well. I for one am feed up with those who love to read the updates and be in the know, but don't want to subject themselves to our humor or whatever the person is condemning us for at the time.
You would think by now the members who participate in the "fascination thread" would have grown accustomed to being treated like the "red-headed stepchild" in the anti-kimkins family. Being told that yes we have been good, but not good enough! We get a pat on the head and a tongue lashing to hopefully put us in our place. Then the scenario repeats itself again in a few weeks. Although the scenario has happened many times, one of the most shocking blows came from Becky a.k.a. Littlebit formerly of Kimkins.com recently.The following is Becky's posts on us the LCF members....the red-headed stepchildren .........
Post- Dec 14 2007, 03:41 PM

I am actually very upset with the LCF people and the blogs for being part of driving that site out of business. In fact, I am furious!



They can like it or not, but she was not a fraud, she was successful and real, and was well within her rights to start a business selling her diet. Contrary to their misinformed opinion, anyone can sell a diet, without a doctor or nutritionist affiliated, as long as it is within minimal safe legal standards, which hers was (and Kimkins isn't). She stated up front what the diet was better than Kimmer did (low carb, low cal, low fat), offered more support and more caution than Kimmer did, and kept calories higher, up within the range of MANY commercial diets that operate freely and unimpeded. The site cost her money she may or may not have recouped, and it certainly deprived her overnight of a stream of revenue she no doubt counted on. She has lost her business (and hopes of funding reconstructive surgery, apparently) right before what should have been her busiest season.

If they are opposed to anyone making money off of diet support, there goes entire sections of every bookstore in the country, and just about every diet board online, because they all make money to pay the bills somehow, whether in selling information, support services, ad space, or products.

If they think it is wrong to sell something without ALL the details being known first, they had better get appointed head of the FTC, and pull down half the marketing out there on the web. Better yet, become a majority in Congress, and change the rules. FALSE information, like Kimmer gave, is illegal. Withholding disclosure of info required by law is illegal. What the chicken site did is lawful marketing, whether we like it or not.

This was important to her, and a mere passing fancy to many of them, and they helped to destroy her business.

If it had had anything to do with Kimmer, WHY would the guy have taken out an ad for a freelancer to make it like the Kimkins site? After all, Heidi OWNS Kimkins, has the tech team that BUILT Kimkins, and could use that template to pop up another in a flash.

Congratulations. They ended up doing Kimmer's dirty work for her, and managing to get her competition shut down.

They will not rest, apparently, until Tippy's site and this lady's site and anyplace else current Kimkins members might really fell warmly welcomed is gone.

Yet they are patting each other on the back and doing the happy dance. I am disgusted.

Furthermore, LCF still has the Kimkins diet there, with many Kimkins threads devoted to it. If the Magic Chicken Lady was dangerous, what about LCF? True, there is the Fascination thread, which has done a lot of good work, but the rest is also still there, too, and nothing to stop people from following it as Kimmer always promoted it. Tippy's new site and the Magic Chicken site both have better bottom limits than that.

On top of that, they did to the Chicken Diet lady what they did to Tippy, and others --- insulted her looks, questioned her intelligence, mocked her spelling and grammar (and that of her family), and cast aspersions on her character, her intentions and her other dealings, on the merest of suspicions, with scanty evidence. Debate over evidence is one thing, but ad hominum attacks are uncalled for.

They have even had a go at Hector Diaz, remarking that 'maybe his elevator doesn't go all the way to the top floor'. He has been willing and able to participate in providing valuable info to the proper people, and he comes under attack? Out of line!

I appreciate the value of the Fascination threads, and the good intentions and contributions of many people there. However, this out-of-control nonsense is exactly why many people (including Tippy) didn't listen to them over Kimmer. The true message gets lost in the ugly noise.

Heidi is the true, deliberate scammer here. Every other player, to some extent, has been duped and used.

The ends do not always justify the means.
We are wading into people's hopes and dreams and fears and very identity and self-definition. Shame on us if we trample and misuse and exploit that!
Then we are doing to them what Heidi Diaz has already done.
It is wrong to re-victimize the victims, just to make our case!

Now, they can have a go at me, if they like.

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